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I just got this in Skype from my guy at Blasting News ...

"Hi Bill, how are you?

I’ve got the answer from the boss. He want to make a new analysis (asking also to a third party company if necessary) on all the traffic that we had in the last 2 months in order to understand what it’s human/quality and what it’s not. And he doesn’t want to pay all the traffic that is not good enough for this analysis.
Maybe some of your articles and articles of your contributors, as we saw from the internal analysis we did at the beginning, could come up.

I wanted to tell it to you directly and in person before. You will receive an email about it tomorrow.

This is something that goes out of my power. If something came up, I couldn't do anything. It’s a decision taken directly from the top and I don’t have any power over it.

Hope you can understand the position of the company."

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jycmba private msg quote post Address this user
Guess we'll have to see what's next.

Hopefully, the pay on 4/15 won't be affected at least - and I guess we'll have to see what happens going forward..
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@jycmba

I was told I could expect an email tomorrow.

I am still chatting with him in Skype at the moment I am writing this.
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jycmba private msg quote post Address this user
@Belew - the most disturbing part is actually saying "it's out of my control.. out of my control.."

What usually follows that kind of talk is worse, because "hey, it's out of their control.."
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The very thing I feared ... too much traffic, too quickly of too low quality will raise flags.

We learned soon enough what was not good traffic and what was ...

I wrote ---

I cannot speak for all the other writers.... but if you are not satisfied with my work ... then don't pay ...

I want to find a way where the company and the writer can have a long-term mutually beneficial working relationship
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@Belew - I'd say that we played by their rules..

Sure, the rules can change, and we'll abide by them. But we did what THEY said was okay.

You asked them again and again. Each time the answer was "that's fine." No, it's not fine in my book if they don't pay for what work was done.

Again, if they want to change the rules, then it should apply for future work - NOT for what was done!
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The full exchange:


Belew:

if it's not good... then don't pay ...

I was very up front with Ed when he invited us in ...
I explained to him clearly ... and I have done my best to create good content and find relevant readers ... this is why I have been wanting analytics

Busin:

I know and that’s the reason why, as I told you, I believe in our relationship a lot and we could create something great together. But we need to build up it from scratch, from new basis.

Anyway… don’t arrive to conclusions too early. Let’s wait for the analysis before.

But I wanted to tell it to you before… I think it was fair.

Belew:

Thanks for letting me know.
I love the idea of BN ...
I, too, believe in the relationship you and I have developed.

Busin:

Happy to heard it.
I will think about a possibile solution for the worst case scenario.

Belew:

these writers have been in a lot of time ... given much visibility to BN ... created a lot of content ... you know all these things

I cannot speak for all the other writers....
but if you are not satisfied with my work ... then don't pay ...

I want to find a way where the company and the writer (me) can have a long-term mutually beneficial working relationship

Busin:

You perfectly know that we are on the same page about it!

Belew:

do you have any good news?

Busin:

to be honest not, I’m sorry… this news blocked everything
Tomorrow morning as soon as I arrive at the office I will create manually a report for you about your last articles.
I have other good news about the next features we are developing, but I don’t think it’s something that interest you in this specific moment…

Belew:

Well, I am sorry to disappoint you. I took my assignment and created open dialog to give my very best efforts considering the circumstances....

Busin:

I can’t tell to know you well. But I know you a bit and I think that we will be able to find the best solution for everyone.
Anyway first of all we need to wait for the official analysis, then we will decide together the next steps.
Make sense?

Belew: that's fine with me.
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@jycmba

Which is why I said, "I cannot speak for the other writers ..."
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jycmba private msg quote post Address this user
@Belew - again, I don't hold you responsible.

But I run into this different times with clients.

Sorry, but you paid for results. If I delivered what I promised based on your spec's, you got what you paid for. PERIOD

That's why I ask again and again with clients - just like you did.

Change the rules, or spec's - no problem. New work order or whatever.

As I've also said, I had too much riding on this.

Granted it was only hours and a few Fiverr gigs, but it was still a significant portion of my current resources.

It's a blip on their radar and budget, but not mine!
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@jycmba

Well, let's see how they come back tomorrow.

I have no inclination to be honest.

But we will find a way.

I can suggest that they be transparent abt what the pages earned for them ... and we go from there.

I always give my clients a 100% full money back guarantee.

There have been misses in my life for a variety of reasons ... usually miscommunication or disconnected expectations.

I hesitated to let you all know what was going on ... but ever so briefly.

I quickly opted be transparent.
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@Belew - I know that you're acting as go-between, and I don't envy your position. You've been transparent from the beginning.

As I've said, we went into this knowing the risks. So, I personally don't hold you responsible for Blasting News.

But I want to be 100% clear about where I stand. Even, if we do at least get this initial payment, I've already decided where my loyalties are - and it's not to them.
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@Belew Payment o me is crucial to pay the expenses I have put out to help them with their project. I don't mind figuring out a way to make it work for all, but I am not paying for their traffic if I can use my resources for something I know will give me ROI.

Beyond the writing, there is a lot of research on our part. So let's hope we get our initial payment as was promised.

I still like the idea for the long term relationship - so we shall see. My trust factor with BN is at an all time low right now as it is a couple of days aways from actually getting my first money after 64 days of writing articles for them.

Enough ranting from me
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SusanDay private msg quote post Address this user
Agreed @jycmba and @bdaoust

Thank you @belew for being our go between.

What they are doing now would be illegal in my country. You can't promise income and then take it away.

They asked... we delivered above and beyond regarding quality, numbers etc.

I noticed that the rankings are being jumbled around a lot and that No. 1 and No. 2 are writing / promoting big numbers.

Will we all get an email analysing our results, @belew?
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At this poin you all know as much as I do.

I expect to get an email tomorrow.

It's illegal everywhere to promise pay and not deliver after the fact

I will request that they show us the earnings for the traffic we generated.

Then find an equitable way to share.

I will NOT speak on all of our behalf.

I want them to be pleased or not pay.
.or pay what us fair.

I won't make any deal on behalf of us all.
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The more I think on it the angrier I get.
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jycmba private msg quote post Address this user
@Belew - oh, oh, but you're supposed to play "Good Cop"!
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@jycmba

I'll hold my tongue for now
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Bill, I just got this notice. Don't know what to think.
We will just ride it out and see what happens. I appreciate all you have done.

Jim
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I just got this email from BN.

Hi BiIl,

We regret to inform you that some of your visits may be considered unnatural by our anti-fraud detection systems.

Unnatural visits may include non-human traffic, such as traffic generated by automated bots, traffic generated via unnatural methods, such as spam sites and link-exchange sites, traffic generated by IaaS providers. Unnatural visits are detected looking at several metrics and internal/external benchmarks, among the others:

- time spent on page by users
- bounce rate
- pages/session and % new sessions
- geo-localization and IP of users
- average CTR on display banners
- devices used by users
- engagement metrics measured by proprietary tools

Unnatural visits are a breach of contract with Blasting News and will not get paid.
We are conducting a deeper analysis on your traffic and you will be notified about the results in the next 6 days.

Thanks
Blasting News Staff
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James Raia. ... got paid.

Anybody else get paid?
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bdaoust private msg quote post Address this user
I did not get paid
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jimmydont private msg quote post Address this user
I didn't get paid
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jycmba private msg quote post Address this user
Still waiting..
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jycmba private msg quote post Address this user
Just got the same email that @Belew got..
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bdaoust private msg quote post Address this user
I got it too
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SusanDay private msg quote post Address this user
I got the same email but I didn't get paid.
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